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John H. Gohde, Natural Health Advocate

Richmond, Virginia, USA, Planet Earth, The Sun,
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Welcome to my talk page.

This is My Talk page. In my home: Nasty, rude, angry, hostile, threatening, and / or impolite comments, or postings by editors that I just plain do not like because they have NOT been nice, will be deleted by me.

The Civility Requirement of Wikipedia applies to ALL posting on my user talk page. So, kiss up to me on my talk page or your comments will be deleted.

However, my time is very limited. And, I will NOT engage in endless meaningless chatter.

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Contents 1 WikiProject Alternative Medicine 2 Thanks for our new Portal 3 Melt the clouds of sin and sadness, drive the dark of doubt away! 4 Template title 5 Orthomolecular medicine 6 Added Link 7 CAM 8 Email Me 9 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2 10 Email 11 Memo To Myself 12 Stays at Wikipedia 13 Vote where? 14 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2

WikiProject Alternative Medicine

You have listed yourself as a participant of this project. The project has had a minimum of activity. Hopefully this can be changed. I am posting this notice on the user talk pages of those participants that are still active Wikipedians. If you are still interested in getting the project into gear, make yourself heard on the project talk page! Cheers! __meco 09:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I have just freshen up the WikiProject project page. Since the talk page is active, the project is likewise active. I see no need to maintain a list of active versus non-active participants. That will only turnoff new prospects, IMHO. Once a participant, always a participant in intent if nothing else. Want to be active? Then less talk and more edtiting of articles, and forget the talk pages. -- John Gohde 19:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to help out. Please let me know how. -- Levine2112 ^discuss 20:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

See, our open task list on our project page. -- John Gohde 15:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for our new Portal

		The Template Barnstar
		To John Gohde, in recognition of his hard work in starting the brand new Complementary and Alternative Medicine Portal. Thank you so much! -- Levine2112 discuss 04:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Melt the clouds of sin and sadness, drive the dark of doubt away!

Marlith ^T/C 03:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Template title

Hi there, I was unsure what the title of the new "Biologically-based therapy" template means, and what the criteria you used to classify these therapies were. Please comment on the template talk page. Tim Vickers 18:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I you are not sure, then why in the world did you edit it? Just curious. -- John Gohde 19:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I did some research and read the source. The new title is more specific and describes the contents of the template in an unambiguous manner, hopefully you will agree that this is an improvement. Tim Vickers 20:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Orthomolecular medicine

1) You no longer seem "set up to receive emails."

2) I have no doubt that orthomolecular medicine is a "biologically based" alternative medical treatment. And yet I think it confuses more than it clarifies when it is classified in the same group as such esoteric therapies like urine therapy.

Bear in mind that the disputes surrounding these 2 therapies are completely different. Proponents of orthomolecular medicine, many scientists and physicians among them, allege that their discipline is the result of meticulous research in laboratories, that could be proved with double blind placebo-controlled studies, but that these generally have yet to (correctly) be done, or that the studies which are claimed to disprove its validity are erroneous in design or conclusions. Of course, the best case solution would be to replicate these studies, once and for all. Urine therapy, on the other hand, is endorsed by but a handful of eccentrics, and to the best of my knowledge, has no lab results to support it.

While the classification as such is correct, I believe it puts orthomolecular medicine into a very misleading light by inference. Would you consider removing your classification?--Alterrabe (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! The list should be as small as possible, with only our best articles listed. -- John Gohde 16:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Added Link

Thanks for finding that Dixon link on CAM article. Anthon01 (talk) 03:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

CAM

Since you are a frequent editor to CAM I wanted to point out this note I left on Guettarda's talkpage. Anthon01 (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

It appears that Guettarada has made some extensive edits. Unfortunately, I am in the middle of making a major rewrite of complementary medicine. Making 3 reverts in one day will get you kicked off of Wikipedia for 24 hours. But, waiting 24 hours between each revert wont. I would advise that you edit boldly and correct all errors and all non-NPOV edits made by Guettarada. The article is what counts, rather than the talk page. Any non-NPOV editing made today, can always be corrected next week. -- John Gohde (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

"But, waiting 24 hours between each revert wont." I suggest you reread WP:3RR --Ronz (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

This is interesting. [1] What I corrected just 30 minutes ago, has already been reproduced in a mirror/copy of Wikipedia. So, sometimes time does count. Depends upon how much damaged Guettarada actually did to the article. -- John Gohde (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, that mirror copy of Wikipedia is updated immediately. All but 2,300 of its 302,000 webpages are in Google's supplemental index. Which makes it all but invisible in Google for all but the most specific searches. Ergo, it should soon go out of business for duplicating Wikipedia, exactly. -- John Gohde (talk) 01:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Email Me

So, leave me a friendly post here, or Email Me . -- John Gohde (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually the email doesn't work. Anthon01 (talk) 03:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

According to this link: Special:Emailuser/John Gohde, there is no email address attached to your account. nat.utoronto 04:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I am not using Wikipedia's email feature. I got my own private email. So, either click on it here or click on it above. -- John Gohde (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2/Workshop.

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2/Proposed decision

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel 06:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The Arbitration Committee has asked that evidence presentations be kept to around 1000 words and 100 diffs. Your presentation in this case is over 1500 words. Please edit your section to focus on the most relevant evidence. For the Arbitration Committee, Daniel 07:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I have one week to edit. I am not finished, yet. But I am working on it. -- John Gohde (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Microsoft Word tells me that the current word count is 825. -- John Gohde (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The current and probably final word count is 838. -- John Gohde (talk) 22:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I have received a few suggestions about participating in a mentorship program. Of course, I am more than willing to be mentored by any editor who does not consider complementary and alternative medicine to be a dirty word. -- John Gohde (talk) 19:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Email

If you want to communicate with me, then send me email. -- John Gohde (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Memo To Myself

Overall, I am very happy with the present state of affairs on Wikipedia. I have basically accomplished everything that I have set out to accomplish, during my third stay at Wikipedia. And, all of the articles that I have edited are still in an acceptable state.

At this point, my participation on Wikipedia will become extremely limited. But, I will be checking in weekly to see that all is still going well on my current list of projects. -- John Gohde (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

If I am not writing on Wikipedia, I will be writing someplace else. A place where three are no free speech restrictions and just a tad bit more sanity. I have recently come across enough new material for at least ten new articles.

My first article will be: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit from a Pro or Con debate perspective. -- John Gohde (talk) 14:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The Hate Blogger's account, User:Gohdeilocks, managed to get itself blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia in only one week [2] . While, silly me, I have been editing here for over a year. The Hate Blogger, of course, has accomplished virtually nothing. -- John Gohde (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Stays at Wikipedia

1. Mr-Natural-Health: 3 December 2003 - 25 June 2004 = 7 months of Editing
2. John Gohde 1st Stay: 30 January 2005 - 30 April 2005 = 4 months of Editing
3. John Gohde 2nd Stay: 17 September 2006 - 11 January 2008 = 15+ Months of Editing

My current stay clearly lasted the largest, and in many ways it was the most successful. And, of course, it is never how much time you have wasted on Wikipedia, but what you have managed to accomplished. -- John Gohde (talk) 21:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Vote where?

Where do I put my vote, John? simple as... thanks Peter morrell 16:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is a confusing mess. Vote at the bottom of Comments by involved editors. Also, I just sent you an email. -- John Gohde (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/John Gohde 2

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. John Gohde (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) is banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 22:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)